Tincup Pass Video Trail Guide and Review featuring a stock Jeep Renegade, two KL Cherokee Trailhawks, and a stock Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Tincup Pass is near Buena Vista, Colorado and can be started from either St. Elmo, CO or Tincup, CO. The trail is rated as Difficult due a few rough sections, but only reaches a 6 if you take Old Tincup, the original more vertical route to the top. I’d definitely recommend skid plates, rock rails, good tires, and have a true a 4wd system in your vehicle. Disconnecting the sway bar and airing down will make the trip more enjoyable for most.
Time Stamps
St. Elmo: 0:33
Start of Trail: 1:01
Drivers: 1:52
Camping Spots: 3:38
Tree Line: 5:54
Switchbacks via drone: 7:13
Snow Bashing: 8:04
Tincup Pass: 8:42
Getting Rougher: 9:19
Old Tincup: 12:34
Finally BIG rocks!: 14:03
One goes down: 20:29
Driving in the lake: 20:39
Trail Thoughts: 21:36
My name is Dewie Jones and I’ve been messing with Jeeps since I was younger. I’ve daily driven a wrangler my entire driving life starting with a 1997 TJ and now I’m in 2012 JK. I like the challenge of driving a stock wrangler on tough trails. My buds are not new to wheeling either, but for their own specific reasons, now wheel aggressive SUV based off-roaders like KL Cherokees, 4Runners, and Renegades. We decided Colorado Mallcrawlers was a funny name so we changed the channel’s name (plus the old name was hard to search for).
@coloradomallcrawlersمنذ 4 سنواتOk, I’m enjoying all your comments including the critical ones, however, I need to clarify some things. You need to own what you say and I will not accept ones being disrespectful towards anyone in my videos. By disrespectful, I mean calling someone a moron or an idiot. Being critical of someone’s driving is ok, but let’s put this all in context. Mike was new, but he just wanted to prove his vehicle could keep up as he got quite a bit of hate prior to even going off-road (From some in a local Jeep FB group). Now, Sean, Zach, and I told him numerous times to take it easy, but it’s also his vehicle and we’re not going to force someone to drive our way. Also I didn’t see all of his wheeling till editing and I can guarantee neither did the others so we really didn’t get the same picture y’all got from this video. Did he wheel recklessly? Yes. Did he get home safely? Also yes. Was he with a crew that wasn’t going to abandon him or anyone else? Absolutely. This is the deal, I do not want any vehicles damaged during these trail guides especially like this (it is a pain in the ass to get a disabled vehicle off-trail), but it is possible (I mean we’re dropping vehicles off ledges and big rocks, what do you expect?). I do not and will not push anyone to take a hard line for video purposes. These videos are designed to get people into off-roading (and show Colorado). Breaking vehicles is an easy way to get people to say nope so our goal is get through a trail safely and hopefully still be entertaining. Recently I stopped one of my buddies on wheeler lake’s the flopper. Could he have done it? Absolutely. Did I know how to spot him SAFELY on it? No. So, I appreciate all of you for watching these, for subscribing, and definitely for commenting. I realize most of the comments are good natured even if critical so keep it up and yes, I do reflect upon the insight given. This just needed to be said based on some comments being posted. ....وسعت49
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@The_Samsquantchالعام الماضيI felt like I was watching early footage of Whistlin Diesel putting a Jeep Renegade through it's paces in this video. Dude was driving that thing like he had ZERO fucks to give. love it! 2
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@H3YB33ZYمنذ 3 سنواتHoly crap That Renegade can take some punishment! I actually was thinking of buying one and wondered what those little cars are capable of. I guess Idon’t have to worry about slamming it into a rock wall every now and then. Thanks man!!! Hopefully the driver’s car is all well and can take it a little slower next time :) ....وسعت16
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@richardfurnari9451منذ 3 سنواتThis is my favorite video Micheal is my brother in law you did a great job having his back and I appreciate it . Much respect for you brother! Great video! 2
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@johanbarnard3435العام الماضيRecently did a trail with similar difficulty to this one here in south africa withmy stock Renegade trailhawk as well. He got to slow it down and really id="hidden6" class="buttons"> pick your lines properly. The Renegade just keeps impressing me though. Been able to keep up with much larger vehicles. A vehicle that you don't have in the states thats massively impressive offroad and even smaller than a Renegade is the Suzuki Jimny. Those things are unstoppable ....وسعت3
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@stefan3225منذ 2 سنواتI took my GX470 up Tin Cup when it was bone stock. Had to choose lines carefully and got asked if we were lost or told to turn around many times. Props id="hidden7" class="buttons"> to Mike for having the balls to bring his Renegade up there. Although a bit naive, the guys gusto must be respected! ....وسعت3
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@johnworld27منذ 2 سنواتAwesome video. I have a 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk and cant wait to run it thru this trail. I cant believe that Renegade go thru most of that.. that thing got hammered! 1
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@EhdrianEhمنذ 2 سنواتWe've all done stupid things in fun vehicles. This guy is immortalized on YouTube. Been there, done that. 1
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@xtina818منذ 2 سنوات"this isn't the way to the mall" -that renegade 2
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@sunroameroverlandالعام الماضيDefinitely added to my list this year, thanks for play by play. Really helps with a rig like mine. 1
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@natosharogers3609منذ 4 سنواتThis music made me want to come along for the ride. Love the addition of all the old houses/buildings 5
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@rsdaarudمنذ 2 سنواتGoing up old Tincup would be a blast!! Thanks Dewie! 1
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@SinginRabbitالعام الماضيDude in the orange Jeep is brave as hell. A lot braver than I'd be in a new vehicle.
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@paulpita2055منذ 2 سنواتGood details. Also noticed no one was aired down. Would have helped with traction climbing and down hill on rocks. And you can manually disconnect sway bars with a few wrenches. 2
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@jdreaper2176منذ 4 سنواتJust ran this trail for the first time yesterday. Elmo to tincup. Your video really helped ! Thanks 3
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@thed8229منذ 3 سنواتSway bar motor? You have sway bars? These are Mall Crawlers! I'm having a blast watching you guys beat up yer Almost Jeeps. Hey good on ya for getting out there. CO sure is fun!
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@duilioproni4672منذ 4 سنواتFirst of all, I love your videos. One of my more favorite channels. Keep up the good work! I came here to harp on the Renegade driver, but it seems id="hidden11" class="buttons"> others have done that job for me. I cringed a lot while watching him. One suggestion for the videos: when showing a car's specs, why not freeze-frame for a few seconds while the car is passing so we can read the specs without missing any action? You could make the overlay more prominent, too. Sometimes I don't notice them at all until the second (or third) viewing. ....وسعت8
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@grampabadgerمنذ 4 سنواتCamping atop Tincup Pass on a moonless night is amazing.
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@gavingilmore1486منذ 3 سنواتYou should also do a trail review for Hancock Pass, if you decided to go let me know! I've wanted to do that pass for a while now! 1
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@johnnyverano1373منذ 3 سنواتI like when you talk about the trail. How to get to the trail, the elevation of the trail, the difficulty of the trail, the scenery, names of mountains, id="hidden12" class="buttons"> famous spots, types of trees, the weather of the time of year you on the trail, everyone in your group and the Jeep models everyone has. Never change that. You have great communication skills, keep up the good work. ....وسعت2
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@richfarfugnuven6308منذ 3 سنواتJust some free advice, not trying to tell anyone what to do. On my offroading and even my on road vehicles that have that cheap plastic cladding down low, id="hidden13" class="buttons"> I pop it off and replace it with truck bed liner. If you want to learn how to weld, some custom rock sliders are a great start. If not even renegade rock sliders can be ordered on line. Thanks, just a couple of thoughts. ....وسعت1
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@JayElement13منذ 3 سنواتelectric sway bar disconnect is awesome but nothing beats good old Manuel disconnect just simply pull the pin 2
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@marcoantonioarredondo2909منذ 4 سنواتVery nice trails. I really like your videos you make very good shots 1
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@KitplaneEnthusiastمنذ 4 سنواتYou do a fantastic job on your videos! 3
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@4sl648منذ 3 سنواتPlease advise what mode the Renegade was in for the trail. My 2015 Renegade Trailhawk in Rock mode with the descent control on does not lurch ahead like id="hidden14" class="buttons"> that. I have had several other Jeeps in the past. Its a very different feeling keeping the power on and letting the system brake wheels as it sees fit to send power where it will move the vehicle ahead. Im from the east, very different terrain on ME, NH, and VT logging roads and woods. Glacial rocks and logs, mud and hills slick with logging slash and snow. ....وسعت
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@ironborn8786منذ 4 سنواتThe guy in the red renegade is fearless 1
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@shiftintohigh5564منذ 3 سنواتWow! Fantastic scenery. Reminds me of St Johns and Deer Creek outside of Monazuma. Loved watching this. Renegade was amazing. Had to watch the rescue, amazing as well. 2
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@pistonsgeek409منذ 3 سنواتDriving critiques aside I enjoyed seeing what the renegade is capable of. I own a Deserthawk and am new to off roading. It’s nice to see that they’re more than capable. It’s my daily driver and would like to take it out on some easy trails around my neck of the woods to start out and it gives me some perspective to the capabilities. Thanks for the video! ....وسعت4
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@luchaDorمنذ 4 سنواتThanks for bringing us along. Man that dude was driving that Renegade way to fast, and 'Full Send' is right. Honestly, its a testament to how far id="hidden17" class="buttons"> it made it before breaking, of just how well they can do and the abuse they can handle! That was only going to end badly. ....وسعت4
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@andrewrudlang2785منذ 4 سنواتI really felt this one, and enjoyed your pure honesty in what was happening and why. Great editing too and really appreciate that you take the time to id="hidden18" class="buttons"> make these videos. I own about three nice gopros but I barely manage to take the time to take any video clips, and even once I've taken the clips its like pulling teeth for me to sit down and edit them. I know its a long tedious process, so thanks for doing that. We've only been to Colorado once just a couple months back and we did a lot of great hiking but we were too shy to risk our brand new 2020 Cherokee and didn't really know where a good spot to go would even be. Now I've discovered your videos and taking notes for ideas for our next trip out there. Your guides are really helpful and I appreciate that you don't sugarcoat things or edit down to only the sunshine and rainbows parts. You are showing us some real wheeling, great places to do it, and giving us the info we need to decide which trails we are comfortable tackling. Thank you. ....وسعت1
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@anatolearnold1633منذ 2 سنواتMaybe it's just me but when I was new to off-roading I didn't go slamming into things. I may have good special awareness, but it looked like that id="hidden19" class="buttons"> Renegade driver did not know the height or space around theirs very well. Glad everything turned out allright, but make it an important rule to learn where your wheel placement is, height clearance, and proper speed for the conditions. ....وسعت1
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@punktexasمنذ 4 سنواتAnother great video. And the Oscar goes to. the Renegade. That was fun. 4
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@fisherman.585منذ 3 سنواتHello. the suspension of the renagad "red" origin or suspension to prepare? thanks dude
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@turtlebaysup9539منذ 2 سنواتThank you for posting this video, it was really enjoyable to watch, even if a little unnerving at times. I love the Renegade (and Wrangler) and hope to id="hidden20" class="buttons"> be buying one later this year, we know how much of a beating it can take! Looks like a beautiful trail, I'm sure you all had a blast! ....وسعت1
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@Colorado4x4منذ 4 سنواتVery great video! I haven’t hit these trails but want to next summer for sure. Looks awesome up there. I want to hit Pearl Pass and Taylor Pass too 1
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@berowawa3907منذ 3 سنواتJust found your channel You really deserve way more subscriber!!! 1
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@WorkFromHomeFridayمنذ 4 سنواتWe ran Tin Cup/Napoleon/Hancock last week (8/11) in our RZR. The guy at the St Elmo store said a bear (nicknamed "two-tags") has been tearing id="hidden21" class="buttons"> up St Elmo. I rigged a tree lift for our food at our campsite and we had no problems. ....وسعت
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@johnnyverano1373منذ 3 سنواتYou finally got to eat at the end of the video. 1
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@lamarbennett100منذ 4 سنواتAwesome video Dewey. Definitely looking professional. 1
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@sking2173منذ 4 سنواتVery enjoyable video. I was surprised at just how capable the Renegade was. I have generally considered them to only be a half-sibling in the Jeep family. id="hidden22" class="buttons"> That it was left on trail was much more to do with some overly enthusiastic driving than a shortcoming of the vehicle. This is one aspect of this guy’s videos that I enjoy the most; seeing different models of 4x4’s and AWD’s compared in the trail environment. I am especially interested in seeing how “Cherokee-class” CUV’s perform on the trail. It’s surprising how good the electronically-controlled 4x4 systems have become, and from what I’ve observed, Jeep’is about the best. ....وسعت4
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@CampgroundReconمنذ 4 سنواتNice! Been down that trail many times. Accidentally got on Old Tincup once and had to turn around. We like to do the 3 passes in one loop - Tincup Pass, Cumberland Pass, and Hancock Pass. 1
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@paulstone4804منذ 2 سنواتAnother great video Dewey ! Loved the ‘other’ Jeeps too ! Keep it up ! Hope to get to wheel with you some day :) 1
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@user-lo9sr9jb7tمنذ 4 سنواتWhat modefecatios added on the old jeep KL?
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@lucasleneroliveira5064منذ 3 سنواتExcelente, muito bom, parabéns!! O meu ,Renagade, chegará esse mês. Ansioso! Brasil 1
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@EthanOpdahlمنذ 2 سنواتGreat videos.I like to view at 1.25 speed. 1
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@amdestinedمنذ 4 سنواتI can’t believe you let a stock renegade not only drive that trail but drive it so carelessly. Nonetheless, I’d love to join you all someday. 15
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@rafaeltorres2886منذ 3 سنواتWow that was not easy , that was scary I'm glad everything turned out ok I love the Rene it just needed some tougher tires and a little more lift and id="hidden24" class="buttons"> I'm sure the next time everything will turn out perfect, awesome video. ....وسعت1
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@milesbeene3069منذ 2 سنواتDude in the orange is the definition of drive it like you stole it!! Slow and control wins in off-roading
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@richfarfugnuven6308منذ 3 سنواتWhat are the stock size tires on a Renegade Trailhawk?
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@greggp1956منذ 4 سنواتJeep 2016 Renegade Trailhawk Recurring Power Driver Seat Malfunction (5X) Defective product or bad dealership repair service?
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@Chriscoveryمنذ 4 سنواتTo put it carefully, perhaps the Renegade driver lacks a bit on wheel placement and throttle control. But wow. what a tough little machine. Going beserk id="hidden25" class="buttons"> mode nearly all the time crushing rocks instead of out manouvering them -- I thought it would quit much earlier! ....وسعت5
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@cherrygarcia5514منذ 3 سنواتI really wish they gave the renegade a 2 speed transfer case, it does awesome and a 2 speed would make it a real bamf I’m in so cal so we will prob never wheel together but y’all seem like a real fun crew 3
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@Channel-yq6qyمنذ 4 سنواتI wouldn't want to buy that Renegade used :). But, great storytelling and awesome shots. I've ran that trail several times in a stock Liberty, id="hidden27" class="buttons"> it definitely takes careful tire placement and patience. Do you guys ever do meet ups? ....وسعت3
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@h3e44منذ 3 سنواتMakes me miss my renegade trailhawk so much
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@Tony85ishمنذ 3 سنواتthe guy in the renegade makes all renegade drivers look bad with that driving and rig set up for that trail jeeeeeeeesh that was painful to watch. that aside, Awesome trail and footage.
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@jimmieporter3282منذ 2 سنواتJust think way back in the 50's, one could drive a 1950 4 door Ford over Tin Cup pass. Once I found the new Tin Cup I never returned to the washed out Old Tin Cup.
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@MichaelMiller-rg6orمنذ 3 سنواتMan, that guy beat the hell out of that Renegade!
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@GBG2023منذ 4 سنوات I'm like WTF you go boy if it breaks replace it with something stronger!! If that Renegade got a 4" lift and some meatier tires would have been good to go. ....وسعت1
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@mariaf8947منذ 4 سنواتOk, now I have to go to all of my Renegade groups and find this guy. What was he thinking? You said he’s new to the trails but has he ever driven a car at all before?? He was going “Full Send” the entire time. I’d never trail with a guy like that. It’s reckless and puts everyone in danger. Learn buddy and learn quickly. ....وسعت27
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@poobankمنذ 4 سنواتIn the beginning I was like I wonder which one breaks and then I saw the renegade driver. I wonder if next time he will take it easy. Not to be disrespectful id="hidden32" class="buttons"> but when he went full send and hit the horn I about died laughing ....وسعت3
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@pliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiالعام الماضيLittle Orange Compass is quite the careless one lol
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@TheFossilFiendمنذ 2 سنواتI'm really surprised this trail is rated harder than Mosquito. Tincup is out favorite trail, but I dont plan on ever going over mosquito again. 1
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@jacobfulton5106منذ 4 سنواتDude, Colorado has L’s in it Two of them actually! 2
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@jlopes68منذ 4 سنواتjust a tip, reverse gear is your weak link, never pull someone out in reverse, good way to damage your stuff. Renegade was due to be broken, pushed it a lil to roughly id say. 2
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@camiloherrera7546منذ 3 سنواتDamn that dude in the orange was really sending it
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@billj5645منذ 3 سنواتWe did that trail many years ago in my wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ. The Jeep did fine but she decided no more rough trails for her. 1
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@PerajkaMS4x4منذ 4 سنواتThis guy is simply killing Renegade. I am curious how Renegade survived even!! He was risking to smash it . This video speaks how good is standard Renegade id="hidden34" class="buttons"> Trailhawk!!! When you see someone driving that way better to guide him and loose little more time instead of loosing car and risking to destroy whole day and excitements from the beautiful nature and offloading. I am Renegade Trailhawk owner and was feeling pain each time he was smashing his car on the rocks :( ....وسعت1
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@alterbayer7196قبل 7 أشهر by 3.00 . ooooooh a little swamp !! we must jump in !! . like little kids
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@lukejohnson6623منذ 3 سنواتI am suprised those renegades and new Grand cherokees can handle stuff like this 1
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@russlehman2070منذ 4 سنواتI was a bit surprised that you rated this difficult, but it has been at least 10 years since I last drove it, so maybe the trail has deteriorated, as I don't remember it as being particularly difficult.
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@doowaelمنذ 3 سنواتGood Grief!! You're a Trail Guide and didn't even coach these guys on driving a trail? Nobody guides them around the obstacles, but totally ok with videoing their foibles. 1
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@CaptainSkidmark11منذ 3 سنواتBit my lip at first and wasn't going to say anything.I cant help it. First I admire everyone who wants to go off road and enjoy the beautiful sights id="hidden37" class="buttons"> that off roading has to offer. OK now necessities are out the way I will just be frank. I've only road a couple trails over in the Silverton and Ouray area, but I must assume that all the trail heads post a sign that says High Clearance Vehicles Only. The only High Clearance vehicle was the Ruby!!! It was designed for this type riding and the components are design to do this type trail riding. The other vehicles(we saw the damage) are not designed for this extreme riding.period! They have smaller axles, smaller tie rods, tranny gears are smaller too, and most importantly they are not High Clearance Vehicles. Call me an Ass.as I don't care because when you breakdown and have to recover these vehicles, you put the other trail riders in danger. As usually we have to make room when there is not any room to move over ex. Engineer Pass. There are plenty of Trail Guides that can give the appropriate trails for these vehicles.use them!!! I'm from the deep south and fortunately I do have a Ruby and HL Razor, which are adequate for the types of riding I do. Safety First Thank you ....وسعت
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@dirtycommtroopمنذ 2 سنواتThe renegade trailhawk can do this trail just fine but that guy was a horrible driver. I feel bad for that renegade because it didnt need to take that much of a beating.
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@michaelw6277قبل 7 أشهرDoes the Renegade driver hate their car?
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@ocezam4829منذ 3 سنواتWow! It's extremely difficult to make a comment on this video and still remain "respectful". You guys are all in way over your heads. I could id="hidden39" class="buttons"> suggest better equipped vehicles (Much better equipped. Heck the Rubicon is riding on nearly bald tires.) but better vehicles would be extremely inadequate given your combined driving skills. Really you should all think about a different hobby/pastime. My two kids driving offroad at 12 years old were MUCH more competent. Seriously, you endanger everyone near you and can ruin a great day for others simply with your presence. I guess I won't even bother commenting on the "spotting" that was given. Wow! This is not the way to "get others into off roading". ....وسعت2
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@stevevice9863منذ 3 سنواتIs the dude in the Renegade trying to break something? He's just ripping right through everything in his path!
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@stacksmasherمنذ 3 سنواتAmazing! Jeep owes that guy a new rig for all the "clout" he just gained for that Trailhawk!
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@ellienovelli3425قبل 8 أشهرWow, just watched you should not be a trail guide on a difficult trail. Bad lines, never should have taken those vehicles with very little lift on Old id="hidden40" class="buttons"> Tincup. No wonder you had damage. Also, there was zero reason on the St. Elmo side for you to drive through the big mud rut. Do you think there is a magic fairy that comes out and fixes the trail. Should have stayed left to preserve the trail on the right. ....وسعت
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@danielwallace1531قبل 3 أشهرI would like to know where the guy who is driving the renegade buys his gummy’s I want some of that shit
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@MachNoneمنذ 3 سنواتThe regegade broke lmfao. Didn't see that one coming
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@WorkFromHomeFridayمنذ 4 سنواتLOL "Cah-rado" (Sorry. Just had to pile on that one.)
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@michaelmorr4403قبل 9 أشهرGood vid but man the guy in the renegade has a lead foot lol 1
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@robertedwards7430منذ 3 سنواتGreat video but the guy in the Renegade needs to slow his approaches WAYYY down 1
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@underthelibertytree712منذ 2 سنواتLightly used Jeep Renegade for sale.
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@panagiotisf7228منذ 2 سنواتThose guys going way to fast over some stuff i can't wait to get back to Colorado from ny this time driving My truck
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@kaly4875منذ 3 سنواتAl del coche rojo le va durar 2 días el coche jajaj
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@NYRobb82العام الماضيIt seems everyone driving Willy Nilly in this video. The Renegade driver looks like he was driving to destroy the thing. Not sure people should look at this as a guide in anyway other than what not to do.
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@gzrgldr8288منذ 2 سنواتSomeone took "Drive it like you stole it" pretty literally.
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@seanwatson3790منذ 4 سنواتWe must be starting to get big time finally , cus now we are getting comments , and people making fun of us , and being know it alls and I love it cuz that means people are paying attention to us now 6
مقاطع الفيديو ذات الصلة على Tincup Pass Trail Guide with Cherokee and Renegade Trailhawks Trail Damage:
So, I appreciate all of you for watching these, for subscribing, and definitely for commenting. I realize most of the comments are good natured even if critical so keep it up and yes, I do reflect upon the insight given. This just needed to be said based on some comments being posted. ....وسعت 49
Your video really helped !
Thanks 3
I came here to harp on the Renegade driver, but it seems id="hidden11" class="buttons"> others have done that job for me. I cringed a lot while watching him.
One suggestion for the videos: when showing a car's specs, why not freeze-frame for a few seconds while the car is passing so we can read the specs without missing any action? You could make the overlay more prominent, too. Sometimes I don't notice them at all until the second (or third) viewing. ....وسعت 8
We've only been to Colorado once just a couple months back and we did a lot of great hiking but we were too shy to risk our brand new 2020 Cherokee and didn't really know where a good spot to go would even be. Now I've discovered your videos and taking notes for ideas for our next trip out there. Your guides are really helpful and I appreciate that you don't sugarcoat things or edit down to only the sunshine and rainbows parts. You are showing us some real wheeling, great places to do it, and giving us the info we need to decide which trails we are comfortable tackling. Thank you. ....وسعت 1
You really deserve way more subscriber!!! 1
This is one aspect of this guy’s videos that I enjoy the most; seeing different models of 4x4’s and AWD’s compared in the trail environment. I am especially interested in seeing how “Cherokee-class” CUV’s perform on the trail. It’s surprising how good the electronically-controlled 4x4 systems have become, and from what I’ve observed, Jeep’is about the best. ....وسعت 4
Recurring Power Driver Seat Malfunction (5X)
Defective product or bad dealership repair service?
Thank you ....وسعت