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The Last Of Us Part 2 - Ellie Kills Abby's Love Owen and his Pregnant Girlfriend Mel
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@VideoGameSophistryمنذ 4 سنواتIf you know she has just killed of your friends and thousands of other people.WHY would you try to attack her? Really WHY! 131
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@035716594منذ 4 سنواتThey made us play as Abby half of the game so that we can empathize with her and her friends. turns out pretty much all of us cheered when Ellie and Tommy id="hidden1" class="buttons"> murdered every one of them including a pregnant woman. nice character building lol ....وسعت382
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@kuaikukiaمنذ 4 سنواتSomebody point the gun and mean bussiness Owen : well, I just go to take her gun. And risk my pregnant wife getting shot on close range id="hidden2" class="buttons"> Logic 10/10 here Edited : for those moron who still don't get logic flaw and defending this, there is still time and many way that Owen can take opportunities to try disarm Ellie's gun but the timing he did on here is just god stupid. You don't want to disarm when someone shout and point the gun directly to defendless victim. And also Owen didn't even try to negotiate by telling his wife is pregnant. ....وسعت489
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@croose_منذ 4 سنواتThe dog death is the saddest one of the video, no one care about the two random characters after. 206
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@DemonGrooverمنذ 4 سنواتSo she kills everyone apart from the one person she was hunting? What BS is that? 173
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@peterlynch6301منذ 4 سنواتSo She-Hulk was having sex with a dude that already had a girlfriend? And she was pregnant? Wow, what a likable character. So stunning and brave. 1232
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@pundapundapundaمنذ 4 سنواتMel should've played the I am pregnant card here to even have any chance at surviving lol 13
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@scorpio1019منذ 4 سنواتI don’t blame Ellie for killing Owen and Mel it was in heat of the moment and she didn’t know that she was pregnant 27
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@denosteen1116منذ 4 سنواتbro she killed everyone and everything to get to abby then when she does she let her go.. huh? 492
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@markcontreras2337منذ 3 سنواتShe put her own baby’s life at risk pulling a knife on Ellie , didn’t feel bad at all. 11
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@NateDizzle312منذ 4 سنواتRemember when NaughtyDog said that you can go thru the entire game without killing any dogs?? Yeah they lied about that too 72
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@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421منذ 2 سنواتYou know? I don't blame Ellie whatsoever for the fact that an unborn baby is now dead. Mel went out knowing the risk even after being called out for id="hidden4" class="buttons"> it, and the fact that she was very important to her community considering she was also a medic. If you ask me, she brought this on herself. ....وسعت9
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@CODZL1منذ 4 سنواتDid they spect us to empathise with Mel just because she was pregnant? Didn't blink a bit 620
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@justnickperiod4658منذ 3 سنواتOwen lived just long enough to know his baby died. Jesus christ that's a bummer. 2
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@mannyperez6096منذ 4 سنواتJohn wick: have you seen my dog Ellie: uh I cant explain 200
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebitمنذ 4 سنواتThat was so satisfying. Eye for an eye. 89
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@DanTE_1203منذ 4 سنواتI think ellie should've said, naughty dog when she stabbed it. 141
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@Morfe02منذ 4 سنواتYou literally kill 200 soldiers to follow the history * Cinematic: i guess killing this character Is bad huh 7
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@alexh1p623منذ 4 سنواتI hate everyone in this game even Joel wasn't like himself from the first game ♂️probably the only exception is Tommy 63
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@DailyDoseofShortsVideosمنذ 4 سنواتWhen you got stabbed in the neck I was laughing so hard I didn’t expect you to lose 9
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@oats2949منذ 4 سنواتIt took them 7 years to make this49
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@dmanc85منذ 4 سنواتWhat did they expect would happen? Mel was going at Ellie with the intent to kill her, of course Ellie's going to fight back and kill her! 6
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@noRagretzمنذ 4 سنواتDidn’t feel anything from this, you just had to give us Abby’s head. But I guess revenge is wrong right? 484
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@googlezee8755منذ 4 سنواتThis whole game could have been abbey's redemption journey, tries to kill Joel and Ellie the entire game but Joel dies trying to save Abbey and Ellie id="hidden5" class="buttons"> from a common threat or something changing her view on why Joel would kill everyone to protect someone he loves. Ahh whatever this shit is done ....وسعت16
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@BoaeCHمنذ 4 سنواتWell, personally this is the moment where Ellie's revenge quest kinda lost all interest for me. Her character looks and sounds so miserable in this id="hidden6" class="buttons"> scene it hurts man. And then when you reach the end, she just ends up alone in an empty house.Jesus this game is just depressing. ....وسعت5
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@too_smoothkg7368منذ 4 سنواتSo they try to make you hate Ellie by her killing Mel who was pregnant. And like Abby Because she spare Dani who was pregnant. This game is horrible. 152
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@TheHawkeye0725منذ 4 سنواتCan you upload the part when Abby, Mel and manny are fighting the scars then get backed up by the wlf reinforcements? 4
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@kriegman6040منذ 4 سنواتAll they had to do was cooperate. I don't feel bad at all. It isn't ellie's fault what so ever that they died. 140
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@riaali9429منذ 4 سنواتI actually felt worse about killing mel before I got to know her.after playing as Abby and dealing with her insufferable friends.I regret nothing 8
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@codyeaster290منذ 3 سنواتWhat interests me is the fact that half of the community, if not more, of The Last of Us are blinded by their hatred for Abby to the point where they ignore (and even misinterpret) what the game is trying to tell them. 2
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@KLA611منذ 4 سنواتThey could’ve surrender and tell where Abby is instead of provoking Ellie 177
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@mrraf5250منذ 4 سنواتI feel bad for the actor playing as Abby 5
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@stefankalabus1251منذ 4 سنواتI have so many mixed feelings about this game, I seriously don’t have much words 3
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@tomknibbs2273منذ 4 سنواتThey could do a cool little dlc where you play as Tommy throughout this 1
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@kenbekilling8998منذ 4 سنواتThe only death I felt sad in this video was the dog at the beginning RIP 54
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@gustavoblanco1593منذ 3 سنواتOwen really picked his ex over his pregnant girlfriend. 2
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@CS-bl2szمنذ 3 سنواتTell you a joke: people can forgive the one who killed their beloved person. 1
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@KayamaKoomoriمنذ 4 سنواتI 100% No joke, DO NOT feel bad for Mel. She's pregnant, and not only is she standing in the front lines killing Monsters, but she is also climbing id="hidden9" class="buttons"> on top of stuff, SHE'S PUSHING HER STOMACH AGAINST CRATES AN BOXES!! That baby is most likely dead by the time Ellie Kills Mel, and it's all Mel's fault ....وسعت2
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@LASAGNA_LARRYمنذ 4 سنواتEllie kills Mel in self-defense and she didn’t know Mel was pregnant. Ellie feels bad after she finds out. Later: Abby threatens to kill Dina intentionally (not self defense), and Ellie begs Abby not to, telling her that Dina is pregnant. Abby literally then responds “*GOOD*” like a god damn supervillain, and she would have killed Dina if Lev didn’t stop her. WTF. And we the player are supposed to SYMPATHIZE with Abby? She’s a god damn psychopath! This game is truly ridiculous in trying to make the player like Abby and see Ellie as the villain. ....وسعت96
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@Acesahnمنذ 4 سنواتThe writers trying to copy Joel's interrogation technique but in a sloppier way. nothing to see here. 26
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@andytsung9442منذ 4 سنواتAt that moment Ellie was as scary as Joel when she pointed at the map but Owen is good at telling when someone lets their emotions get the better of them id="hidden11" class="buttons"> because of one Ellie doesn’t control her emotions as well as Joel and she is also not a cruel person and Joel can be quite often in word and action but yeah she was frightening until she yelled too much and Owen sensed distraction Ellie was lucky she didn’t die then because she did lose control of her emotions briefly something Joel never does even when he’s really angry but Ellie is more reasonable than Joel and the better person better Ellie than Joel mostly because she still has kindness left in her for people she doesn’t know Joel is a scary dude ....وسعت3
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@weathersbythesavagereacts2853منذ 4 سنواتAt this point lou is a master piece that should go in the history books of graphics(for 2013) and amazing story telling. Lou 2 is just bad fan fiction 3
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@eurechمنذ 4 سنواتThis is Rick all over again. Goes on a killing rampage on the Saviors and in the end when he gets the chance to kill Negan, he lets him go. But not long id="hidden13" class="buttons"> ago he kept telling him how he's gonna kill him, not tomorrow not today but someday bla bla. ....وسعت1
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@TikisPlayhouseمنذ 4 سنواتDidnt care when they died, was annoyed that ellie did. Was annoyed about most of this game actually 4
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@Kyle__Vمنذ 4 سنواتI seriously doubt Ellie finding out she killed a pregnant woman would traumatize her. Especially becasue they killed Jole and second they tried to kill her. What the fuck were they thinking when they mocked up this story?? 1
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@jambo1938منذ 4 سنواتI love that little "Jesus" when she falls out of the vents 1
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@spiderguy46منذ 4 سنواتA good DLC would be you play as Jesse saving Tommy
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@irfanhameed6128منذ 4 سنواتMel's character is so poorly written.like which pregnant woman will volunteer to be on the frontlines?.she was waiting to be killed 6
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@renkii_0منذ 4 سنواتRip doggo. Best character in the game
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@arandomtuskanraider6180منذ 4 سنواتWhat are the mario bros opinions on Ellie’s revenge Mario says, it is wrong to kill people who are pregnant. Luigi says, Kill the Joel, she take your soul
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@PierreC2منذ 2 سنواتin the end Ellie became ruthless. I was all for Abby later..She showed more heart than Ellie.
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@ianwilly7118منذ 4 سنواتLast of us - great game. Last of us 2 - macho man randy savage kills everything good about the series . 2010 - 2020 culture destroyed this game lol 78
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@adamsultana8380منذ 4 سنواتTo be honest, I did like Owen though but that's it. Manny was funny too but his involvement in Joel's death and spitting on him afterwards I can't look past. 2
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@Gameboynitroمنذ 4 سنواتIf she was pregnant why the hell would Owen put her life in danger like that and why would Mel retaliate? Lol their stupidity is what got them killed just like Joel's and Jesse's. 1
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@theandroidsمنذ 4 سنوات and the best parts. You're welcome. 15
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@ellas6569منذ 4 سنواتI felt more sympathy for that dog dying than Owen and whatever that other girls name was. 1
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@Sora-xl5tiمنذ 3 سنواتIt was so foolish of the developers to expect their message to get through, it’s like they were trying to trample on their own work. They couldn’t unravel our attachment to Ellie and Joel, ultimately most players will always care about the duo more than Abby and her friends. ....وسعت
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@syriasyria9539منذ 4 سنواتThe problem is that Owen a male fighter got punched and then oneshotted while a weak pregnant woman disarmed her with 1 hand rushed her on a table and almost killed here
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@yusgrk3928منذ 4 سنواتMan. the dog death's really hurt me, it's just kinda overkill imo 38
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@davile_1428منذ 4 سنواتI didn't feel anything from this, even after the context of Abbie's relationship with them. Abby turned my heart cold against her at the beginning id="hidden21" class="buttons"> and I just want to watch her suffer. When Owen died, I laughed, when the girl died. and revealed she was pregnant I said "damn that's mad.. but I don't care" ....وسعت1
@MCKSAINTمنذ 4 سنواتA wise man once said revenge is a fools game (Arthur Morgan) 5
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@Cali5556منذ 4 سنواتValentino literally just told his pregnant girlfriend to get lost so he and Abby could run off to a faraway island, and suddenly acts so concerned over id="hidden22" class="buttons"> their unborn child after shit went down. Yeah, no. Gahd, what a bunch of utterly repulsive characters. ....وسعت
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@silentpriest3376منذ 4 سنواتAn eye for an eye.as Owen said "End it" 4
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@saffronia2992منذ 4 سنواتIf this game has taught me anything it's that people are massive hypocrites and psychos. I don't get how Ellie can do this yet Joel's death id="hidden23" class="buttons"> is still the absolute worst thing to happen in the whole history of the world. Smh ....وسعت17
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@bluejustice1809منذ 3 سنواتI'm glad this game won an award!!! 1
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@darryljack6612منذ 4 سنواتIf one is to call vengeance justice, such justice will only breed further vengeance. And trigger a vicious cycle of hatred in the world. 6
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@nobody-xw3hiمنذ 4 سنواتHow Abby get mad she killed Joel even when she begged 3
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@luanavollaro8871منذ 4 سنواتI don't feel bad for the woman who died I feel bad for the unborn child 1
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@davidramirez414منذ 4 سنواتIn case anyone wanted to know, a dog won't go after two stabs, they'll fight till they literally cant anymore.. Dumb things dont know when to stop. id="hidden24" class="buttons"> And no ive never stabbed a dog but sadly i know from a 2nd hand experience ....وسعت1
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@yoshimitsui2منذ 4 سنواتDid you mess up the button on purpose? 1
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@RingoSatireمنذ 4 سنواتOwen plays rough with Abby right before they get it on. But somehow is overpowered by Ellie’s dainty arms while his pregnant girlfriend’s life is threatened. Don’t get me wrong I like Ellie, but I can’t get past these glaring inconsistencies. ....وسعت
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@seth7614منذ 4 سنواتI can't believe they just re-use a scene from the first game, this game is pathetic. Honestly I could forgive that on it's own, but on top of everything else, unbelievable.
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@EllieC130منذ 4 سنوات“Abby’s lover and his pregnant girlfriend” something sounds wrong with this picture. Which one was the homewrecker? 3
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@erika662منذ 4 سنواتIt’s retarded how many people don’t understand how important Abby is to tlou2. And why we played as her
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@KleWdSideمنذ 4 سنواتInaudible? He obviously whispered "pregnant."
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@MeisterFuhrerمنذ 4 سنواتSome people say they didn’t deserve it cuz of their backstory. But they were there when Joel died, Owen pointed his shotgun at Joel while the pregnant one said he deserved it. They both deserved to die. Some people just don’t get it. ....وسعت
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@ExplictZz_منذ 4 سنواتHonestly before you call me biased. I loved this playing this game and the story and went into this game with zero spoilers and went in with my own opinion. id="hidden28" class="buttons"> I definitely saw what the writers were trying to do making us empathetic to Abby. But honestly when I got to her ark and saw her friends, and how they portrayed them in general just made me hate them more lmao. I had zero attachment to them because they were so unlikable the two characters I hated the most was Mel and manny (when tommy killed him that was a highlight for me) but towards the end I did feel a level of respect towards Abby but I still didn’t like her. Overall I still like the game for what it was and I don’t believe it was a terrible game and the fans that glorified and hop on the bandwagon of hate says a lot. I believe if you just walk into the game with zero bias and play through your own experience it’s still an enjoyable game and the story certainly isn’t the worse although was very dragged out imo. Now I’m gonna make a separate paragraph on my problem with the game developers. If you want us to be empathetic to the enemy make the characters and her “friends” likeable every time her friends popped up on screen I hated it. Mel being pregnant and going into battle was fucking retarded even for a an apocalyptic and medical soldier standpoint, furthermore her character was the most dumbest and bitchiest of the lot that I really didn’t care for her at all and felt nothing towards her death. Had no idea how she was moving so much when you were with her and killing zombies. Owen was the only character I legitimately liked because he was the only one that had a brain and had empathy for his actions. Manny omg don’t get me started idk why he just annoyed me in general, he was just a dumb character that had to next to zero value to the plot besides helping Abby leave to find Owen on the first day. I swear to god he was just a filler character to make it less awkward. Whenever he was in any cutscene I just kept thinking does he die yet? I’m so done with this pendejo. But I will grant him one thing, He was the only friend of Abby that actually treated Abby like a proper friend. As for the rest of them it barely even felt like they even liked Abby. There was so much constant tension amongst them that it made me feel like they were all fake as fuck to her. Manny was the only genuine friend I believed she had besides Nora. As for Nora yeh I felt like her character overall was fine didn’t really have a problem with her but she really did lack the screen time compared to the rest of the obnoxious so called friends to which I believed she had more potential than the rest especially Mel and manny and had the least character building amongst them. For fun I’ma just put this here but highly unpopular opinion I DID NOT LIKE DINA AT ALL. All I could think about is why the fuck are you here, you were pregnant you knew and you came anyway aight fair. But after you just stayed in the theatre did absolutely fucking nothing but sleep. Then when shit did go down at the confrontation and your well equipped with a gun you fucking charge in to a woman that is built like a fucking unit and start flaying around with a knife not even a stabbing like motion it’s generally like a child waving a magic wand and on top of that your screaming like a fucking retard when you could sneak up on her and stab like you did at the start of the game when u did stealth kill on patrol. With the constant oh you gotta stop Ellie blah don’t come back if your gonna do this blah blah, like it was very apparent that Ellie has ptsd and your little talks ain’t fucking helping her and she even tells you herself that you can’t help her even though you believe it has an effect when in reality it really doesn’t and your the one feeling attacked when you didn’t suffer shit throughout this story. Don’t get me wrong I loved this game and enjoyed and had my fun. But some of these characters were just so bad it was painful to watch whenever they popped up. Luckily I was enjoying it enough to tolerate it and the game did have its good characters like Jesse, lev, yara, tommy, Joel, etc but as good the game is it does have its issues that most of the communities points out but I believe it is greatly exaggerated onto media. ....وسعت
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@Emcfree2084منذ 4 سنواتVery believable and realistic that a small young woman would be able to physically overpower and punch out a much larger grown man lol
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@hannahbullمنذ 4 سنواتonly one I felt bad for was Alice the dog 2
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@tonyrobinson6368منذ 4 سنواتThis is stupid the only reason Ellie was going to let Owen live because she remembered that he told the group after they killed Joel to spare her and Tommy id="hidden29" class="buttons"> but he put his pregnant girlfriend at risk for his side piece come on dog. ....وسعت6
مقاطع الفيديو ذات الصلة على The Last Of Us Part 2 - Ellie Kills Abby's Lover Owen and his Pregnant Girlfriend Mel:
Owen : well, I just go to take her gun. And risk my pregnant wife getting shot on close range id="hidden2" class="buttons">
Logic 10/10 here
Edited : for those moron who still don't get logic flaw and defending this, there is still time and many way that Owen can take opportunities to try disarm Ellie's gun but the timing he did on here is just god stupid. You don't want to disarm when someone shout and point the gun directly to defendless victim. And also Owen didn't even try to negotiate by telling his wife is pregnant. ....وسعت 489
Wow, what a likable character. So stunning and brave. 1232
Ellie: uh I cant explain 200
* Cinematic: i guess killing this character Is bad huh 7
Later: Abby threatens to kill Dina intentionally (not self defense), and Ellie begs Abby not to, telling her that Dina is pregnant. Abby literally then responds “*GOOD*” like a god damn supervillain, and she would have killed Dina if Lev didn’t stop her.
WTF. And we the player are supposed to SYMPATHIZE with Abby? She’s a god damn psychopath! This game is truly ridiculous in trying to make the player like Abby and see Ellie as the villain. ....وسعت 96
Mario says,
it is wrong to kill people who are pregnant.
Luigi says,
Kill the Joel, she take your soul
UAV unlocked
Gahd, what a bunch of utterly repulsive characters. ....وسعت
He obviously whispered "pregnant."
Now I’m gonna make a separate paragraph on my problem with the game developers. If you want us to be empathetic to the enemy make the characters and her “friends” likeable every time her friends popped up on screen I hated it. Mel being pregnant and going into battle was fucking retarded even for a an apocalyptic and medical soldier standpoint, furthermore her character was the most dumbest and bitchiest of the lot that I really didn’t care for her at all and felt nothing towards her death. Had no idea how she was moving so much when you were with her and killing zombies. Owen was the only character I legitimately liked because he was the only one that had a brain and had empathy for his actions. Manny omg don’t get me started idk why he just annoyed me in general, he was just a dumb character that had to next to zero value to the plot besides helping Abby leave to find Owen on the first day. I swear to god he was just a filler character to make it less awkward. Whenever he was in any cutscene I just kept thinking does he die yet? I’m so done with this pendejo. But I will grant him one thing, He was the only friend of Abby that actually treated Abby like a proper friend. As for the rest of them it barely even felt like they even liked Abby. There was so much constant tension amongst them that it made me feel like they were all fake as fuck to her. Manny was the only genuine friend I believed she had besides Nora. As for Nora yeh I felt like her character overall was fine didn’t really have a problem with her but she really did lack the screen time compared to the rest of the obnoxious so called friends to which I believed she had more potential than the rest especially Mel and manny and had the least character building amongst them. For fun I’ma just put this here but highly unpopular opinion I DID NOT LIKE DINA AT ALL. All I could think about is why the fuck are you here, you were pregnant you knew and you came anyway aight fair. But after you just stayed in the theatre did absolutely fucking nothing but sleep. Then when shit did go down at the confrontation and your well equipped with a gun you fucking charge in to a woman that is built like a fucking unit and start flaying around with a knife not even a stabbing like motion it’s generally like a child waving a magic wand and on top of that your screaming like a fucking retard when you could sneak up on her and stab like you did at the start of the game when u did stealth kill on patrol. With the constant oh you gotta stop Ellie blah don’t come back if your gonna do this blah blah, like it was very apparent that Ellie has ptsd and your little talks ain’t fucking helping her and she even tells you herself that you can’t help her even though you believe it has an effect when in reality it really doesn’t and your the one feeling attacked when you didn’t suffer shit throughout this story.
Don’t get me wrong I loved this game and enjoyed and had my fun. But some of these characters were just so bad it was painful to watch whenever they popped up. Luckily I was enjoying it enough to tolerate it and the game did have its good characters like Jesse, lev, yara, tommy, Joel, etc but as good the game is it does have its issues that most of the communities points out but I believe it is greatly exaggerated onto media. ....وسعت